Author Topic: Windows XP file and print sharing (Read 4087 times)

Atomic Mitten · « **on:** November 04, 2005, 09:59:10 pm »

I have a cable modem and wireless 4 LAN port router set up, I can access the Internet on both computers the Host and the client.
But I just can't get each computer to see the other one for file sharing =?
When I try getting the Microsoft Network file sharing to work it doesn't have a properties tab, I have tried installing it via Installtion CD add additonal components but it says " no drivers are installed for this device

Any ideas what I need to do to get it to work please ?

gryphon · « **Reply #1 on:** November 05, 2005, 12:42:45 pm »

disable your windows firewall and other firewalls if any.

Give both computers a unique name and check if the following services are installed.

reboot as many times as needed. Then simply go to \\computername\ .

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #2 on:** November 05, 2005, 02:03:46 pm »

OK an update ( thanks Gryphon ) I can see each computer in Network places, I can connect to the Internet on both.
I can see the shared files on the client from the Host comp.
But when I try to see the files on the Host from the client I get error message saying that I don't have the rights to access the Host.

I should have mentioned that both comps have Windows XP Home installed, not Pro.

Is there anyway around this ? I already Mapped the drive to get the Icon in My Computer for the Client looking from the Host that is.

I read somewhere that XP home is problematic for Network file sharing ??

I used TCP/IP Net Bios as advised on a web site info.

When I try to install other Protocols I get an error message saying that Windows can't find drivers for this device

How do I install then drivers , or better where are they located on the install disc.
I tried adding windows components via add/remove programs / additional components, but no luck.

gryphon · « **Reply #3 on:** November 05, 2005, 08:32:27 pm »

for the un-sufficient rights thing. . make an account on each PC with the same name, and the same password. Then try again.

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2005, 12:10:52 am »

I read up a bit on XP home and file sharing, apparently I have to boot into safe mode then right click on the folder that I want to share and a security tab appears in properties that isn't shown in normal use.
I did this and created an everyone account on my both host and client but it still won't allow me to access the Host from the client.

gryphon · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2005, 01:41:55 am »

I don't know where you saw that. Although booting into save mode just to share a folder with WinXP Home edition is bull***

Believe it or not . . I use WinXP Home edition. In the picture below you can see the tab for sharing. The reason why its greyed out is because as the screenshots before this post show. . I don't have Windows networking installed. (all sharing is done via Novell and this way I can secure my Windows accounts).

As for the security tab, there is non in WindowsXP Home. Again I don't know where you saw that but it's useless.

Don't create an everyone account. Give the 2 computers a unique name. Place them in the same workgroup. And make an account ( called Alfred, Jonny or whatever ) on both computers with the same password on both. Then try again.

Just qurious, where did you get those XP Home installations from ?

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #6 on:** November 06, 2005, 04:42:34 pm »

Where do I change the computer name ?

This is the article:

http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxpnetsh.htm#save

gryphon · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2005, 05:29:24 pm »

The article guides you through the wizard. And the security part is not needed.

Please don't tell me both your computers have the same name at this time ?

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2005, 06:32:14 pm »

No they have different names are in the same group ie MSHOME.
The wizard runs on the Host but not on the client it simply states an error has been encountered.
It doesn't state as usual what error.

gryphon · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2005, 09:20:55 pm »

which Wizard ?

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #10 on:** November 07, 2005, 11:07:57 am »

Network wizard.

gryphon · « **Reply #11 on:** November 08, 2005, 12:48:26 pm »

Atomic. . .you ask for help. . I try to guide you through the process with screenhots of the things you need to check and / or change. . . and you still follow a wizard ?
My screenies do the same as the wizard. . so if you are having problems with the wizard. . . .. anyway

I might as well not have replied.

And again. How did you get those 2 WinXP Home editions. . . ?

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #12 on:** November 09, 2005, 07:30:19 pm »

One version I bought and the other came on the Medion from Aldi, why ?
Sorry have been a bit stressed working on my mothers house lately.

Phoenix · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2005, 11:23:32 am »

i think you have no rights from one machine on the other, so make on both computers the same user accouns, with the same passwords
and then you should be able to get onto them...

gryphon · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2005, 11:32:23 pm »

Quote from: Phoenix on November 10, 2005, 11:23:32 am

i think you have no rights from one machine on the other, so make on both computers the same user accouns, with the same passwords
and then you should be able to get onto them...

Quote from: gryphon on November 06, 2005, 01:41:55 am

Don't create an everyone account. Give the 2 computers a unique name. Place them in the same workgroup. And make an account ( called Alfred, Jonny or whatever ) on both computers with the same password on both. Then try again.

Indead if you got that error you have it working except for the rights thing which can easy be solved that way.

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #15 on:** November 11, 2005, 12:16:20 pm »

I don't use passwords on them.
Can I just change the name of the client to the same as the Host ?

This is weird the Microsoft File and print sharing is half greyed out so when I click on install it says Windows cannot find a driver for this device.
Although the Windows Installation disc is in the CD drive ?

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2005, 12:30:56 am »

I tried to do what you suggested Gryphon but I get the message " user name is already in use on the Network" when I try to use the same name and passwords on both comps.

Phoenix · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2005, 02:16:22 pm »

maybe an option...

click in windows explorer tools --> folder options --> then the tab display.
Then look for the line: "use simple file sharing (recommended for the most users)" or something like that..
then check it, and click ok, now try to set some permissions on your share...

( it could also be the line says: do not use ...(blablabla) then check it

)

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #18 on:** November 16, 2005, 09:55:47 am »

Simple file sharing was already checked.
I just can't get this to work.

Phoenix · « **Reply #19 on:** November 16, 2005, 02:14:19 pm »

do NOT use it...

so uncheck it..

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #20 on:** November 16, 2005, 02:50:39 pm »

Where do I do that, where you said has no display tab and no entry for simple file sharing.
I can't remember where I saw it now, got to the head numbing stage long ago with this file sharing and Windows XP home .lol

Phoenix · « **Reply #21 on:** November 16, 2005, 03:56:29 pm »

Quote from: Phoenix on November 15, 2005, 02:16:22 pm

click in windows explorer tools --> folder options --> then the tab display.

make sure simple file sharing is not used...

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #22 on:** November 17, 2005, 02:16:15 am »

Please re read my last post

Phoenix · « **Reply #23 on:** November 17, 2005, 12:43:23 pm »

Quote from: Atomic on November 17, 2005, 02:16:15 am

Please re read my last post

OOps

well.. tools -> folder options --> VIEW

and then look for that simple file sharing.. make sure you do not use it, and then you can set easily rights and permissions.

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2005, 10:01:55 pm »

The box for simple file sharing is not where you said , I can't find it anywhere ??

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #25 on:** November 19, 2005, 10:09:17 am »

OK my problem seems to be that on the Host I have SP2 installed and on the client it is not.
My WLAN card on the client keeps setting it's IP address to 169.254.240.107 but I don't know why =?
it should be one starting 192.168.2. ..............

This gets weirder and weirder.

Phoenix · « **Reply #26 on:** November 19, 2005, 07:41:58 pm »

169.254.240.107
This is an APIPA address.. This is if you have DHCP enabled, but your computer cannot find one..
So windows has a number in range of 169.254.*.*
Check your dhcp settings, and maybe (if you do so) do not use encryption on your wlan in the first place.. first make it work, then try encryption (if you want to), this could be an issue.

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #27 on:** November 20, 2005, 10:38:35 am »

Ok I installed SP2 on the client and now I have both IP's Host and client correctly entered.
However I now have a further problem, I have a WLAN card on the client and the signal it get's is very good, but I can't connect to the internet with Mozilla browser or iE , what type of connection do I need to set up to gain access ?

It seems really weird that it won't connect, do I have to set up a proxy and if so what do I enter as the address line ?

Sorry but Networking is all new to me.

Phoenix · « **Reply #28 on:** November 20, 2005, 02:15:37 pm »

I presume you have a router, so you need to enter the routers internal ip address as your default gateway on your computers..

example, Your internal network has 192.168.1.* as range
your router has 192.168.1.1 as internal address.
Your computer A has 192.168.1.2 and
computer B has 192.168.1.3.

Your settings in your ipconfiguration is for computer A is IP: 192.168.1.2 subnetmask: 255.255.255.0 and default gateway 192.168.1.1
Your settings in your ipconfiguration is for computer B is IP: 192.168.1.3 subnetmask: 255.255.255.0 and default gateway 192.168.1.1

Default gateway is the "gate" to where data packets are send when your computer does not know how to handle them.
example, you want www.google.com
for name resolution, your compter cannot resolve the ip address by itself, so it sends it to your default gateway (your router)
the default gateway knows the adres of a dns server, to which the packets are send to resolve the ip address..

So check your settings in your router (check if your ip settings match, so if you use 192.168.100.* in your internal network, make sure that in your router you also use those settings.)

gryphon · « **Reply #29 on:** November 20, 2005, 03:23:05 pm »

Quote from: Atomic on November 18, 2005, 10:01:55 pm

The box for simple file sharing is not where you said , I can't find it anywhere ??

Quote from: Atomic on November 16, 2005, 09:55:47 am

Simple file sharing was already checked.
I just can't get this to work.

it's where you found it in the first place...

Quote from: Atomic on November 19, 2005, 10:09:17 am

OK my problem seems to be that on the Host I have SP2 installed and on the client it is not.
My WLAN card on the client keeps setting it's IP address to 169.254.240.107 but I don't know why =?
it should be one starting 192.168.2. ..............

Why does it need to start with 192.168.2. ? I guess because that's the IP range your DHCP server on your router is giving your clients ?
If so you do not need to change anything (like Phoenix mentioned) as your Windows is using DHCP for it's network configuration.
(this must be else you never whould have gotten the 169.X address)

On your PC where Firefox isn't working go to start, run and type "cmd".
In the DOS screen enter the command "ping www.google.com" and see if you get a responds.

(disable any firewall you might have)

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