Author Topic: ATI Radeon 9200SE (Read 1833 times)

Altrabomb · « **on:** December 21, 2003, 02:40:02 am »

Is the ATI Radeon 9200SE 128MB DDR AGP 8x any good? I have an older PC (Pentium 3 833mhz) so I am not looking for the absolute best. But will this card run semi-newer games such as Command and Conquer Generals, MOHAA, America's Army, Call of Duty, etc...? Right now I have a TNT2 32 MB Riva. Will it be better than this? Thanks a lot!

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2003, 03:10:17 am »

Well the card will , but I doubt that your CPU will run all of the games.

Altrabomb · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2003, 06:01:24 am »

Thanks. I know my CPU can run them though (or at least Generals) because I've played most of them. Just very choppy. Thanks for the help.

RotteVis · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2003, 10:45:10 am »

why dont you buy a radeon 9800se, they are not really expensive but you can easily soft-mod them to a 9800pro

I am not that fond by the way on the radeon 9200se, it is just an radeon 8500 with dx9 functions.

Altrabomb · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2003, 07:35:32 pm »

9800se? Where could I get that? Never heard of it. ANd what do you mean by softmod? Thanks.

gryphon · « **Reply #5 on:** December 21, 2003, 07:45:43 pm »

A softmode is if you upgrade the hardware with use of software.
Usually you need to modify the hardware to get better preformance out of a card. This is not as safe and easy to do if you don't have experiance in it or know what you are doing. Using a software mod makes modding the hardware slightly easier in that way. And safer.

That way you'll be able to upgrade the card so it will preform better.

Atomic Mitten · « **Reply #6 on:** December 21, 2003, 08:09:53 pm »

Quote from: Altrabomb on December 21, 2003, 07:35:32 pm

9800se? Where could I get that? Never heard of it. ANd what do you mean by softmod? Thanks.

http://www.toxiclemon.co.uk/t/ati/ati-9800se.htm

http://www.eclipse-computers.com

http://www.eclipse-computers.com/cgi-bin/CheckOut4Pro/bin/nowcgi.cgi?mode=java

RotteVis · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2003, 09:55:22 am »

Quote from: Altrabomb on December 21, 2003, 07:35:32 pm

9800se? Where could I get that? Never heard of it. ANd what do you mean by softmod? Thanks.

first, The 9800se does exist
second, the softmod is just forcing a 9800pro bios on a 9800se card. Doing this, the card will run mem/core speed of a ´real´ 9800pro and some other disabled function will work. Most 9800se cards are pro card only with lower mem/core speeds and some disabled functions.

here are some reference links:

http://www.ocfaq.com/softmod/index.php

http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33695811

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD02NTU

http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/review.php?id=03vga00r9800se0powercolr9800se00105

http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=r3dtweak

gryphon · « **Reply #8 on:** December 22, 2003, 11:13:11 am »

Quote from: RotteVis on December 22, 2003, 09:55:22 am

Most 9800se cards are pro card only with lower mem/core speeds and some disabled functions.

If it is the same as with Intel CPU's. . those features might have been disabled for a reason .. ..

RotteVis · « **Reply #9 on:** December 22, 2003, 06:23:48 pm »

Quote from: gryphon on December 22, 2003, 11:13:11 am

Quote from: RotteVis on December 22, 2003, 09:55:22 am
Most 9800se cards are pro card only with lower mem/core speeds and some disabled functions.

If it is the same as with Intel CPU's. . those features might have been disabled for a reason .. ..

The reason is that it´s cheaper to cripple the expensive cards then setting up a production line for them

number6 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 31, 2003, 05:52:54 am »

One thing that no one has mentioned that I thought should be brought up. Does Altrabomb's motherboard even support 8X AGP? I have a newer Athlon Motherboard and it only supports 4X AGP.

RotteVis · « **Reply #11 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:00:43 pm »

Quote from: number6 on December 31, 2003, 05:52:54 am

One thing that no one has mentioned that I thought should be brought up. Does Altrabomb's motherboard even support 8X AGP? I have a newer Athlon Motherboard and it only supports 4X AGP.

AGP cards that are AGP8x also support AGP4x and most Athlon mobo´s have AGP4x support.

number6 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:06:45 pm »

I guess the point is why get an 8X agp card and put it into an 4X slot? Seems like a waste to me and he will definitely not get the full speed advantage that would be expected.

RotteVis · « **Reply #13 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:10:41 pm »

Quote from: number6 on January 01, 2004, 08:06:45 pm

I guess the point is why get an 8X agp card and put it into an 4X slot? Seems like a waste to me and he will definitely not get the full speed advantage that would be expected.

Try find a AGP4x card, there are hard to get. It costs a manufacturer nearly nothing extra to make AGP8x instead of AGP4x. About the performance, you really wont notice the diff if you run in 4x or 8x. The only benefit you´ll have is when you run a game in 1600*1200*32 AA 6x FSAA 16x, then you´re card will use the extra bandwith of the AGP port.
But he is buying a 9200se and has a Piii so he wont have that luxery problem.

gryphon · « **Reply #14 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:24:40 pm »

another feature could be overclocking. .. you will have less diffeculties overclocking a motherboard with AGP 4X and a AGP 8X grafics card then with a both AGP 4X configuration. As the card will be able to handle the extra bandwidth.

RotteVis · « **Reply #15 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:31:01 pm »

Quote from: gryphon on January 01, 2004, 08:24:40 pm

another feature could be overclocking. .. you will have less diffeculties overclocking a motherboard with AGP 4X and a AGP 8X grafics card then with a both AGP 4X configuration. As the card will be able to handle the extra bandwidth.

I´m sorry to say Gryphon, but your wrong. The AGP bus runs at a clock speed of 66mhz, it doesn´t matter if its AGP1x of AGP8x. And if you overclock you increase the busspeed, it gives you indeed some extra performance boost, but its independant from AGP1x/2x/4x/8x.

gryphon · « **Reply #16 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:33:50 pm »

and in the event of increasing the clock frequency of the AGP port ?

RotteVis · « **Reply #17 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:40:06 pm »

Quote from: gryphon on January 01, 2004, 08:33:50 pm

and in the event of increasing the clock frequency of the AGP port ?

It gives you extra bandwith on the AGP bus. AGP8x says that you can pump 8 times more data over the bus than standard, so AGP4x is 4 times as much as standard, etc. But AGP bandwith is more than enough with AGP4x for most common games & apps. Overclocking the AGP bus causes primarily instability in your system, so most overclockmobo´s come with fixed AGP/PCI speed.

number6 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:43:23 pm »

Quote from: RotteVis on January 01, 2004, 08:10:41 pm

Quote from: number6 on January 01, 2004, 08:06:45 pm
I guess the point is why get an 8X agp card and put it into an 4X slot? Seems like a waste to me and he will definitely not get the full speed advantage that would be expected.

Try find a AGP4x card, there are hard to get. It costs a manufacturer nearly nothing extra to make AGP8x instead of AGP4x. About the performance, you really wont notice the diff if you run in 4x or 8x. The only benefit you´ll have is when you run a game in 1600*1200*32 AA 6x FSAA 16x, then you´re card will use the extra bandwith of the AGP port.
But he is buying a 9200se and has a Piii so he wont have that luxery problem.

All you have to do is go online at pricewatch.com and they have plenty of 4X agp cards for sale. Maybe not in retail stores though I am sure you can get them there as well.

gryphon · « **Reply #19 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:45:54 pm »

the point I wanted to make was that in the event of an overclock AGP slot, when you overclock a AGP4X slot that has a AGP8X card it won't be unstable as easy as an combinatin of AGP4X slot and AGP4X card.
But that is just if you are gon'na overclock your AGP busspeed.

btw. I have copied those video's I made at school to your directory.

RotteVis · « **Reply #20 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:46:40 pm »

Quote from: number6 on January 01, 2004, 08:43:23 pm

Quote from: RotteVis on January 01, 2004, 08:10:41 pm
Quote from: number6 on January 01, 2004, 08:06:45 pm
I guess the point is why get an 8X agp card and put it into an 4X slot? Seems like a waste to me and he will definitely not get the full speed advantage that would be expected.

Try find a AGP4x card, there are hard to get. It costs a manufacturer nearly nothing extra to make AGP8x instead of AGP4x. About the performance, you really wont notice the diff if you run in 4x or 8x. The only benefit you´ll have is when you run a game in 1600*1200*32 AA 6x FSAA 16x, then you´re card will use the extra bandwith of the AGP port.
But he is buying a 9200se and has a Piii so he wont have that luxery problem.

All you have to do is go online at pricewatch.com and they have plenty of 4X agp cards for sale. Maybe not in retail stores though I am sure you can get them there as well.

But the fact is, if he buys an 4x or 8x card, it doesn´t matter, they both work. If the 8x card is cheaper then the similar 4x one, then he can better take the 8x card. But if the price for the 4x is cheaper then he can also go for that one without probs

RotteVis · « **Reply #21 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:49:29 pm »

Quote from: gryphon on January 01, 2004, 08:45:54 pm

the point I wanted to make was that in the event of an overclock AGP slot, when you overclock a AGP4X slot that has a AGP8X card it won't be unstable as easy as an combinatin of AGP4X slot and AGP4X card.
But that is just if you are gon'na overclock your AGP busspeed.

btw. I have copied those video's I made at school to your directory.

I get your point, in theory your right, but in real life may encouter it in the case of extreme ´tweaking´

gryphon · « **Reply #22 on:** January 01, 2004, 08:49:38 pm »

it was just an extra remark on number6 question on why an AGP8X in a 4X slot.

Quote

I guess the point is why get an 8X agp card and put it into an 4X slot?

not really a hardned theory , . . just a side note ..

[ you could do that. . . ]

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